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Jupiter Rowland
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I mean, the Fediverse already has Lemmy, KBin, and MBin.

So there's already an ecosystem of pre-built communities out there.

/kbin is dead. Has been since last year. The last instances that haven't moved to Mbin are withering away.

However, in the "Lemmy clone" category, there's also PieFed, and Sublinks is still in development.

Also, the Facebook alternative Friendica ("Facebook alternative" not as in "Facebook clone", but as in "better than Facebook") has had groups since its launch in, 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon. Hubzilla has had groups since 2012 when it still was a Friendica fork named Red. (streams) (2021) and Forte (2024) have groups, too. All four are part of the same software family, created by the same developer. And interacting with their groups from Mastodon is somewhat smoother than interacting with a Lemmy community.

On Friendica, a group is simply another user account, but with different settings: In "Mastodon speak", it automatically boosts any DM sent to it to all its followers. In reality, it's a little more complicated because, unlike Mastodon, Friendica has a concept of threaded conversations. (No, seriously, Mastodon doesn't have it. If you think Mastodon has it, use Friendica for a year or two as your only daily driver, and then think again.)

Likewise, on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, it's another channel with similar settings.

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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #FediverseGroups #Groups #PieFed #Sublinks #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
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Jupiter Rowland
@Owen
what functions do Lemmy, Pixelfed, and others serve that Mastodon doesn't?

For starters, Lemmy, the other Threadiverse projects and several other Fediverse server applications, e.g. Friendica and its descendants Hubzilla and (streams) have one technological advantage over Mastodon when it comes to discussions:

They have a proper concept of conversations. They distinguish between a start post and a reply or comment, and they make use of the "context" attribute on the latter to reference the start post of a thread. This makes it possible to tie discussion threads like in a forum or on Reddit together.

In addition, they always deliver all replies in a thread to all participants in the same thread. No mentions needed. This makes it possible for everyone to easily follow a discussion without having to rely on everyone mentioning everyone or keep looking up the start post at its source.

Mastodon doesn't do either. Mastodon mimics 𝕏 with all its shortcomings, and 𝕏 doesn't have any comparable functionality, and such functionality wouldn't be microblogging, so Mastodon doesn't have it either. Just like everything is the same kind of tweet on 𝕏, everything is the same kind of toot on Mastodon, and it relies on mentions and an out-dated, deprecated OStatus tag that doesn't even exist in ActivityPub to tie directly related posts together.

Thus, meaningful discussions between more than two participants are easily possible on Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, Sublinks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) etc., but on Mastodon and the other "Twitter clones", they require the users jumping through hoops, if they work at all.

Also, discussion groups. Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, Sublinks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) etc. have had them since their respective inception. Mastodon doesn't because 𝕏 doesn't, and groups aren't microblogging. The Mastodon devs are said to be working on implementing groups, but I expect that to become a dirty hack that's incompatible with the rest of the Fediverse. In the meantime, Mastodon users need external, third-party solutions like Guppe, now-defunct Chirp or Friendica.

Mastodon users try to use Mastodon as the all-purpose Swiss army knife of the Fediverse. Mastodon itself tries to market itself as the perfect, fully-featured, one-size-fits-all jack-of-all-trades solution in the Fediverse that lets you do everything you want to do. At the same time, however, Mastodon tries to hold on to its idea of purist microblogging, and it has to struggle with the consequences of having done so all the time.

The only way the Mastodon folks can hope to push their agenda through is by:
  • presenting Mastodon as the Fediverse proper, especially to newbies
  • shielding Mastodon users from the existence of other Fediverse projects; at least some other projects show which project a post or comment came from
  • brainwashing Mastodon users into the opinion that the Fediverse is all about microblogging and shouldn't have more/better features than what vanilla Mastodon offers
  • making the rest of the Fediverse look bad to Mastodon users by intentionally making Mastodon incompatible with the rest of the Fediverse, thus giving the impression that it's everything else in the Fediverse that's "broken"

I joined Lemmy and Pixelfed wanting to participate but the level of traffic seemed too low to generate the interaction I had hoped for. Did I look in the wrong places, or did I fail to notice the action, or did I look too early?

Sadly, there are lots of Lemmy communities in which hardly anything happens. They've got hundreds of subscribers who, however, don't interact with the community. There's often only one user who occasionally posts stuff, but absolutely nobody ever replies to anything.

If you happen to be interested in a catalogue of Lemmy communities, try the one on Lemmyverse. Or if you're specifically looking for an active community, try c/Fediverse.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Threadiverse #Lemmy #kbin #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Sublinks #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)
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Sublinks

discuss.online/post/6776820

The Sublinks team has written up a little survey, which we feel is both thorough and inclusive. It covers a wide range of topics, such as user privacy, and community engagement, along with trying to gauge things that are difficult when moderating.

discuss.onlineFeedback from all moderators - Discuss OnlineThe Sublinks team has written up a little survey, which we feel is both thorough and inclusive. It covers a wide range of topics, such as user privacy, and community engagement, along with trying to gauge things that are difficult when moderating. Also please be aware the information collected by this survey is completely anonymous. As many of us in the social sciences background know, if you want the REAL feelings of individuals, they need to feel safe to express themselves. 👉Moderation Survey HERE👈 [https://forms.office.com/r/bEwUgpmcWW] Please feel free to comment in this thread, we will do our best to respond to any genuine questions. We look forward to hearing from each and every one of you! Sincerely, The Sublinks Team
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Ategon

Making an updated #introduction post for myself for the release of Bytes!

Hi I'm Ategon, an Indie #gamedev from Canada

The main things I'm currently working on is managing programming.dev, designing the frontend for #sublinks which is a federated forum and link aggregator, making games for game jams such as Ludum Dare, Brackeys, and GMTK, and working on a main game which is a roguelite platformer

You can find all of my socials on me.programming.dev/@Ategon and ive got some gifs of some of my jam games attached

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Ategon

Will be starting to share progress on the Sublinks UI that ive been working on

Starting off with some progress I’ve been making on the Home Page. Been taking things I enjoy from both alternate frontends such as Photon and Tesseract, as well as Misskey forks like Iceshrimp and Sharkey.

People who followed me as I was developing Pangora might recognize a lot of similar design decisions. Still in progress but ill try to share new progress at least every couple of days when I work on it with new additions

The left sidebar can be collapsed to show only icons for people who want a bit more space for post cards. Hovering over an option adds a popover saying what it is. In addition when you scroll down the navbar shrinks a bit to give you more space for post cards. On mobile the navbar hides completely when you scroll down and then shows again when you scroll up

The frontend is still heavily in progress so things may change a lot still before release as I refine it. If you’ve got suggestions feel free to give me them

(this is basically a mirror of my programming.dev post but wanted to start posting them here as well)

#sublinks #fediverse

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Sublinks Home Page Progress

discuss.online/post/5875726

discuss.onlineSublinks Home Page Progress - Discuss OnlineHey everyone! Ill be starting to share updates on the frontend visuals here like I was doing with Pangora before it got merged into Sublinks Starting off with some progress I’ve been making on the Home Page. Been taking things I enjoy from both alternate frontends such as Photon and Tesseract, as well as Misskey forks like Iceshrimp and Sharkey. People who followed me as I was developing Pangora might recognize a lot of similar design decisions Still in progress but ill try to share new progress at least every couple of days when I work on it with new additions The left sidebar can be collapsed to show only icons for people who want a bit more space for post cards [https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/79c7efe2-7233-4eb7-9e46-4b558450bd0e.png] Hovering over an option adds a popover saying what it is [https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/506175b4-542a-4f22-838e-e42f74e53da2.png] In addition when you scroll down the navbar shrinks a bit to give you more space for post cards. On mobile the navbar hides completely when you scroll down and then shows again when you scroll up — The frontend is still heavily in progress so things may change a lot still before release as I refine it. If you’ve got suggestions feel free to give me them
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Xerø

It is still early enough in the #redditmigration that #lemmy or #kbin can easily be replaced if something superior comes along. So if #piefed or #sublinks can develop their consumer facing products better and faster then they will inevitably get the community support. And since sublinks uses the existing Lemmy API it might have the best chance to do so.

You never know, the current Lemmy devs might be pushed aside tomorrow, anything could happen.

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