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I wrote an art review, available to Machete tiers.

"In my experience with shitposting on the Fedi—a space that mirrored early 4chan in some ways—it was often used at the expense of visibly Black people and other people of color...There are ways for marginalized folks to use subversive humor as a tool against oppression..."

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Artist Marcia X · Art Review: “Banal Poop”Thoughts, essays, music and ideas.
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@Georgiana Brummell Well, when I describe my images, I have to assume four things.

One, nobody in the Fediverse is even remotely familiar with anything in my images. So what I can't assume is that anyone knows anything about my images anyway, and that it needs no description.

Two, someone somewhere out there might stumble upon my virtual world image posts and end up totally excited because they're proof that the so-called metaverse is, in fact, not dead. And as excited they are, they're also curious about these virtual worlds. Even if they're blind. This means that even if my images focus on something specific, they're just as curious about the whole surroundings.

Three, blind and visually-impaired people want to have the exact same chances at experiencing images as fully sighted people. Now, when someone fully sighted stumbles upon one of my virtual world images for the first time, do you really think they only look at what I say is important in the image? Of course not. Instead, they go on a discovery journey through a whole new and completely unknown universe. They take in all the big and small details in the image, whether these details matter in the context of the post or not.

Well, and I have to assume that blind or visually-impaired people want to have a chance to do the exact same thing. But in order for them to be able to do that, I have to help them by describing all the big and small things.

Four, when I mention something in my images, and someone doesn't know what it looks like, and they can't see it, they want to know what it looks like. Not describing them would be lazy, selfish and ableist. And having blind or visually-impaired users ask me about details is just as ableist. They don't want to have to ask. They want to be told right away. I mean, otherwise I wouldn't have to describe my images at all. If someone wants to know what they show, they can ask, right?

And so I have to describe my images at an extremely high level of detail.

In addition, I have to explain my images so that people understand the image description. I'm currently working on a series of virtual fashion portraits, so-to-speak, so they need tremendously detailed descriptions of the avatar. But nobody will understand the descriptions if I don't explain everything from the ground up.

So right now, the long image description starts with some 12,000 characters of explanations in the preamble before any visuals are described. It'd be even more if I had to explain the location where I've taken the images. But I hope I can safely assume that nobody wants to know where the images were taken if the entire background is a neutral, featureless white.

I guess things would be much easier if discussion groups had always been an integral part of the whole Fediverse, including Mastodon, and not just a fringe phenomenon that nobody knows about.

There could be a group about accessibility in the Fediverse, populated by online accessibility experts, by actually blind or visually-impaired people, by people who are both like Veronica with Four Eyes and by Fediverse users who want to get their image descriptions as right as possible. They could all discuss things not only with the thread starters, but with one another.

I could go there and ask the questions I have, and I actually have many questions. And people wouldn't just answer me independently from one another. They would see everyone else's answers and comment on these. They would start discussing the topics amongst one another from different points of view to find the best solution, the best answer.

But I can't do that because there are no such discussion groups, and everyone is in places that neither have nor support groups in the first place.

The best I can do is ask a question and then mass-mention not only Guppe groups on accessibility, but also a bunch of Fediverse users of whom I know that they are blind or visually-impaired. Unfortunately, Veronica with Four Eyes, a proponent of describing all images twice like I do, is not even active in the Fediverse, if she's there at all.

I've done that last year when I needed to know if I have to describe what the herringbone fabric pattern looks like or what a full brogue shoe looks like in general and what a specific full brogue shoe looks like in particular, or whether I can assume that to be known. I think I got three independent replies although, fortunately, everyone mentioned each other. They said that I don't have to describe them, and one or two said that I can safely assume that people know what I mean if I just drop the names.

Right now I'm wondering if I can safely assume that everyone knows what the three lions in the Royal Arms of England look like, or whether they need their own detail description. I have to deal with a number of sports jackets with the three lions on the buttons, that's why. And in fact, the buttons are so small in the images that even sighted people can't see the three lions on them.

Also, I'm wondering if everyone is familiar with the term "shank button", or whether that requires an explanation, too.

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@-0--1- @David G. Smith Still, first of all, if I posted an image without an alt-text (which I'd never do), AltBot would have to assume full admin rights over the Hubzilla channel that I'm currently commenting from because that's the only way for another Fediverse actor to alter the source code of my posts.

Altering the source code of the post is necessary because Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte neither have a dedicated alt-text field, nor are images file attachments there. Rather, images are embedded directly into the post, in-line, just the same way blogs handle images. And alt-text has to be woven into the image-embedding code in the post. Thus, the post itself has to be altered.

So, assuming AltBot actually manages to circumvent the two most advanced permissions systems in the Fediverse, it would have to trace back an image that it perceives as a file attachment to where exactly the embedding code for that particular image is in the post.

It would have to be able to both understand and write the specific flavour of BBcode used by Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte.

It would have to, for example, take this piece of code...
[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photos/jupiter_rowland/image/b1e7bf9c-07d8-45b6-90bb-f43e27199295][zmg=800x533]https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/b1e7bf9c-07d8-45b6-90bb-f43e27199295-2.jpg[/zmg][/zrl]
...and edit it into this.
[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photos/jupiter_rowland/image/b1e7bf9c-07d8-45b6-90bb-f43e27199295][zmg=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/photo/b1e7bf9c-07d8-45b6-90bb-f43e27199295-2.jpg]Digital shaded rendering of the main building of the Universal Campus, a downloadable island location for 3-D virtual worlds based on OpenSimulator. The camera position is about three metres or ten feet above the ground. The camera is tilted slightly upward and rotated slightly to the left from the building's longitudinal axis. The futuristic building is over 200 metres long, stretching far into the distance, and its front is about 50 metres wide. Its structure is mostly textured to resemble brushed stainless steel, and almost everything in-between is grey tinted glass. The main entrance of the building in the middle of the front has two pairs of glass doors. They are surrounded by a massive complex geometrical structure, very roughly reminiscent of a vintage video game spacecraft with the front facing upward. Four huge cylindrical pillars carry the roof end, the outer two of which extend beyond it. All are tilted away from the landing area in front of the building and at the same time outward to the sides. The sides of the building are slightly tilted themselves. In the distance, a large geodesic dome rises from the building. There is a large circular area in front of the main entrance as well as several wide paths. They have light concrete textures, and they are lined with low walls with almost white concrete textures. Furthermore, various shrubs and trees decorate the scenery.[/zmg][/zrl]

Not to mention that AltBot would require extensive detail niche knowledge about the topic covered by the image to be able to whip up the above alt-text in the first place. (By the way: The alt-text example is genuine. I've actually used it. And it's an extremely whittled-down version of the long image description of the same image in the post itself, a description which has to be the longest in the entire Fediverse.)

Ideally, AltBot would do so without flagging the post as edited.

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@𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤 @-0--1- @David G. Smith You mean as in someone else permanently writing an alt-text into the original image?

Good luck wrestling down the permissions system and acquiring permission to remotely alter the original image post if it is from Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte. Not everything in the Fediverse is Mastodon or works like Mastodon.

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@Kote Isaev @Djembro, RO, supports 🇺🇦🇬🇪 Not to mention that Tumblr, just like Facebook and every last blog out there, uses a one-post-many-comments conversation model whereas Mastodon hangs on to Twitter's loose strings of posts.

If you want that conversation model and full HTML text formatting and images embedded within the post and development being done outside the USA, your only choices is the family of "better-than-Facebook Facebook alternatives": Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte. Friendica is developed by two Germans with the code on GitHub in the USA. Hubzilla is developed by a German and a Norwegian with the code on Framagit in France. (streams) and Forte are both developed by their and Friendica's and Hubzilla's creator in Australia with the code on Codeberg in Germany.

None of them is a Facebook clone, though, and nobody should expect either to be a full-on Tumblr clone. UI and UX are a lot different. Also, all four have quite a bit of a learning curve, regardless of where you come from.

Lastly, readily available native third-party mobile apps only exist for Friendica and for Android. There's an iPhone app for Friendica in development, but it's a long way to daily-driver material. Friendica is also the only one of the bunch with the Mastodon client API, but Mastodon apps can only cover a tiny fraction of what Friendica can do, namely what Mastodon can do, too.

As for apps for the other three, no dice. There's no native mobile app even in sight, also because such an app would end up an absolute monster. And none of them supports Mastodon apps and most likely never will because the Mastodon client API covers even fewer of their features. In fact, it does not cover a lot of critical everyday features, so trying to use one of the three through a Mastodon app makes no sense whatsoever. You're better off with the Web interface either way.

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@Kote Isaev Wafrn mimics Tumblr with a Fediverse connection. But AFAIK, Wafrn itself is still centralised.

I've read somewhere that another Tumblr alternative is in the making, but I don't remember any name.

And Automattic wants to move Tumblr itself to WordPress' technology, including ActivityPub connectivity.

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@Hajoda Für Twitter-Flüchtlinge ist es natürlich "möglichst einfach", ihnen nur Mastodon zu zeigen und sie dann am besten auch noch nach mastodon.social zu railroaden, damit sie ein paar Monate brauchen, um zu begreifen, daß Mastodon keine einzelne Website ist, und noch länger, um zu begreifen, daß mit Mastodon auch noch andere Sachen verbunden sind.

Aber selbst das birgt schon Risiken, die Mastodon-Nutzer bisher noch nie auch nur wahrgenommen haben, die aber allen anderen im Fediverse sehr sauer aufstoßen.

Und wenn jetzt jemand von Facebook oder Instagram kommt, dann ist Mastodon für die nicht die einfachste Lösung. Die einfachste Lösung ist nicht immer die mit den wenigsten Features bzw. die, die am meisten "für Doofe" ist. Sondern das ist die, bei der der Umstieg am einfachsten ist.

Leute von Instagram nach Mastodon zu holen, weil man selbst Mastodon "soooooo einfach" findet, ist kompletter Blödsinn. Dafür gibt's Pixelfed. Wer nur Mastodon kennt, wird Pixelfed "kompliziert" finden, weil es sich nicht wie Mastodon oder Twitter bedient. Aber wer von Instagram kommt, wird sich schnell zurechtfinden. Warum? Weil Pixelfed ein Instagram-Klon ist. Von vornherein gedacht als 1:1-Drop-in-Instagram-Ersatz.

Pixelfed ist tausendmal dichter an Instagram dran als Mastodon. Noch dazu kann man Instagram-Konten nach Pixelfed importieren.

Ähnlich ist das bei Facebook-Nutzern. Da ist man als jemand, für den das Fediverse im Grunde primär Mastodon ist, natürlich auch versucht, die nach Mastodon zu holen, weil man glaubt, das ist am einfachsten.

Aber die erste Frage, die gestellt wird, wenn jemand von Facebook nach Mastodon gekommen ist: "Wo Gruppen"? Tja, Mastodon hat keine Gruppen. Mastodon weiß eigentlich gar nicht, was Gruppen sind.

Mastodon kann auch keine vernünftigen Konversationen (nein, kann es wirklich nicht; wer das als Mastodon-Nutzer bestreitet, hat noch nie echte Konversationen im Fediverse gesehen), sondern nur Stückwerk aus Einzeltröts wie auf Twitter. Mastodon hat auch noch so ein lächerliches Zeichenlimit, das Facebook nicht hat. Und so weiter und so fort.

Wer von Facebook nach Mastodon kommt, hat es tatsächlich sehr schwer. Warum? Weil das eine ganze Menge Umdenken bedeutet. Weil alles ganz anders funktioniert. Weil das Konzept ein ganz anderes ist. Das ist, wie von Facebook nach Twitter umzuziehen.

Wer dagegen von Facebook auf das ach-so-komplizierte Friendica umzieht, wird sich schneller zurechtfinden. Warum? Weil Friendica vor 15 Jahren explizit als Facebook-Ersatz entwickelt wurde. Weil Friendica daher alles hat, was ein gut funktionierendes Social Network braucht. Weil Friendica keine lächerlichen Einschränkungen hat, die Twitter hat, die Mastodon hat, die Facebook aber auch nicht hat. Und weil Friendica sehr viel von dem hat, was Facebook-Nutzer brauchen, was Mastodon aber nicht hat. Gruppen zum Beispiel.

Friendica ist tausendmal dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Auch weil es konzeptionell dasselbe ist wie Facebook, Mastodon aber nicht.

Mastodon ist eben nicht das "Schweizer Taschenmesser" des Fediverse, das alles kann und für jeden Nutzer und jeden Einsatzzweck paßt.

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@liaizon Most of my follows from 2010 are still active too!
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@WikiSignpost @sal @wikimediaDE @belett @bzg @gpaumier @CristianCantoro @aklempert @eloquence @ragesoss @lyzzy @kat @notafish @metasj @hexmode etc. (and Evan and Brooke of course).

(I initially only registered @wikimediaitalia, promising I'd personally remain anti-social, but changed mind at #Wikimania 2010 and registered an account for myself too.)